Triumph Dove Engine Removal and Archaeology

The Triumph Dove that came in with a No-Start condition has been a fascinating experience (for me, the web guy). During the engine removal and disassembly process, I got to see the evidence of an engine that has run too hot and paid the price. The “story” of all the existing damage we saw makes sense (it all “adds up”, if you will), which makes us confident we can put it right. The oil in the oil filter didn’t even flow at room temperature. It shook like a literal bowl full of jelly. It was cooked. Let’s take a look at some of the things we saw.

Dean has the Dove on the lift to remove the engine.

Dean has the Dove on the lift to remove the engine.

This photo shows Dean holding one of the carbs in the air as it is mounted on the intake.  He took the intake off the motor and left the carb just like it was.  His hand is holding the intake.  You can see looking at the junction where the carb and it's rubber gasket meet the intake that there is a gap.  There is not supposed to be a gap.  The gap is allowing extra air in, which will cause a lean condition.  Dean saw other indications that this motor was running very hot, and the lean condition suffered by the cylinders fed by this carburetor would only make that (running hot) worse.

This photo shows Dean holding one of the carbs in the air as it is mounted on the intake. He took the intake off the motor and left the carb just like it was. His hand is holding the intake. You can see looking at the junction where the carb and it’s rubber gasket meet the intake that there is a gap. There is not supposed to be a gap. The gap is allowing extra air in, which results in a lean condition. Dean saw other indications that this motor was running very hot, and the lean condition suffered by the cylinders fed by this carburetor would only make that (running hot) worse.

Looking at the cam lobe in the center of the picture, you can see that the lobe is worn down.  The discoloration in the metal makes it easy to see in the picture.

Looking at the cam lobe in the center of the picture, you can see that the lobe is worn down. The discoloration in the metal makes it easy to see in the picture.

My, oh my, this rod bearing has had it.  If memory serves me correctly, this is the one that locked up the crankshaft and prevented the motor from turning.  Once Dean took off this rod cap, the motor turned.

My, oh my, this rod bearing has had it.  The crankshaft and rod bearing scored each other until the motor locked up.   Once Dean took the cap off of this rod, the motor turned.

Another picture of the chewed up rod bearing.

Another picture of the chewed up rod bearing.

I couldn't get a shot with the camera to show the wear on these tappets.  However, if you saw it live, you would immediately recognize the dished appearance of the tappet to be a problem.  If you don't look at flat tappets frequently, you would at least ask, "Say, is that dished out shape on the top of that tappet normal?"  No, it's not normal at all.  For that exact reason (tappet wear on old style flat tappets), we use oil with Zinc (ZDDP additive) when we do oil changes on these old cars.  Most newer cars have roller tappets and the zinc is not an issue.  New oil standards do not have as much zinc in them because newer engines don't need zinc.

I couldn’t get a shot with the camera to show the wear on these tappets. However, if you saw it live, you would immediately recognize the dished appearance of the tappet to be a problem. If you don’t look at flat tappets frequently, you would at least ask, “Say, is that dished out shape on the top of that tappet normal?” No, it’s not normal at all. For that exact reason (tappet wear on old style flat tappets), we use oil with Zinc (ZDDP additive) when we do oil changes on these old cars. Most newer cars have roller tappets and the zinc is not an issue. New oil standards do not have as much zinc in them because newer engines don’t need as much.

Note the position (in the cylinder head) of the valves on this cylinder relative to the next picture.

Note the position (in the cylinder head) of the valves on this cylinder relative to the next picture.

Notice how these valves sink farther into the head?  That's an illustration of valve recession.

Notice how these valves sink farther into the head? That’s an illustration of valve recession.

Those are the highlights from this particular engine. Fairly informative, I must say. Next, we’ll order needed parts and have the machine work done.

That Red TR4A – Replacement Frame Section Going In

Man, what a project. Nothing for the pros, mind you, but I’m not one of those. If you’d like to start at the beginning, here’s a chronological list of the updates:

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This week, Chip has started welding in the replacement rear frame section. After this is all in and the body bolted down, it’s time to install a gas tank and see if it will start. I will keep you posted. Pictures:  (Pardon the strange angles here.  I’m on a creeper for these.)

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Triumph TR6 with Richard Good Axle Conversion and Nissan Differential

I snapped a few pictures from underneath the TR6 with the Nissan differential installed and the Richard Good CV Joint axles. It’s a very nice setup. If you have questions about whether it’s a good idea for your car, give Chip or Dean a call. See our “Contact Us” page for contact information.

Here you can peek at the Good axle.

Here you can peek at the Good axle.

Here's a better shot of the Nissan Differential.

Here’s a better shot of the Nissan Differential.

Triumph TR6 Steering Column Re-do

Just a couple of pictures from some minor steering column maintenance that Chip was working on. In the “You Learn Something New Every Day” category, I learned that there are pieces of felt that belong here among the collection of parts that comprise the steering column. Who knew? Chip was replacing those pieces and likely some other parts as well to make everything feel as good or better that it is supposed to feel.

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TR4 Engine Replacement

When this car came to us originally, we discovered that the cylinder head was damaged to the point that repairing it didn’t make any sense. Looking further, so were the pistons and the block. So, we built a new motor. Now, the car is back over here for installation. Here it is sitting in the car. Hopefully, Dean will have it running within the week.

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Re-Cored Radiator in the Triumph TR4A

We got the radiator back from being re-cored and have installed it. I think the only thing left is to weld in the replacement rear section of frame and then see if the car will start. It’s possible the carbs need to be done… my memory is failing me. At any rate, it will be good to get this one back under it’s own power.

Re-cored radiator back in place.

Re-cored radiator back in place.

1963 Triumph GTR4 Dove

This Triumph Dove came in with a no-start condition, which is mechanic-speak that means, “Doesn’t run”. For more background on this particular car and better pictures than I take, see the Hemming’s Sports and Exotics article on it here.

This car is dressed in period rally style. The Dove was a TR4 converted from a roadster to a GT-style car by Harrington in the U.K., the same folks who did the Harrington Alpines. There were somewhere in the neighborhood of 50 TR4s done this way. Scroll through the pictures and take a look. Once we determine what’s going on under the hood, I’ll post an update.

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“Commodious” Back Seat.

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Tuning A Triumph TR6

This car is so red it burns my retinas. The distributor has been to Advanced Distributors and the carbs were refurbished by Gary Martin, both prior to coming to us. It’s here for the final details to help those two (distributor and carbs) work perfectly together.

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